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Welcome to Dumbgeons and Dragons! We're a D&D 5th edition actual play podcast who today's

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just answering your questions! Who today is just answering your questions! I'm your

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Dungeon Master Russ More and with me today is Amy More. I'm the Dungeon Mistress. Also

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with me Tom Laird. I'm the Dungeon Jester. Oh, I like it. As well on the call with

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me, Carla Johnson. I am, I don't know, like some kind of dungeon peasant realistically

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probably. I like bring people girl. Well, that's what happens. Somebody has to do it.

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It's a good job. It's a job. And gracing our presence again, hopefully to not kill

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us all is Sean Howard. I am the Dungeon Devourer. Oh, that's good. That's all

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I got. That's good. That's all you need. That's all you need. So we're on a bit

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of a break where we asked for your questions following the climactic season finale, whatever

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we want to call it, where things happened. And if this is your first episode, maybe don't listen

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to this episode. This is all spoilers. It's pretty much going to be 100% spoilers. Yeah,

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so we'll give you a second to hit pause. Go listen to everything else. Yeah, go back

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and listen to the entire back catalog and then pick this episode back up. It'll only

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take you nine months. It's fine. It's fine. You can listen. If you listen from start to

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finish nonstop. I hear some people listen to it on like two times speed. I can't

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do that. But if you do that, I can do one and a half times speed. If it's something

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that is in character base, but it's more talky, like, like analyze this. They talk

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fast anyway. I can listen to them on one and a half and it's just like blow

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your mind fast. So now that you've left and now only the people who are here who want

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to hear all the spoilies and answer all the questions. Sean is here to answer questions

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as both Sean and as Tiamat. There were some questions that were regarding both

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characters. So we're going to, we're going to dive into those. And then because he

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said he's an old man, he has to dive out early. So we'll kind of, we'll kind

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of just see how it goes. It's a whole dive in, dive out situation. I'm an old

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dragoness. That's fair. I understand. Do we want to start with a Tiamat question?

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I want to start with a Russ question. Oh, so Russ, were you scared to do the

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final scene where the whole party was going to die sitting in the same room

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with Amy? Sean, there's a reason that I asked somebody else to play Tiamat.

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And I feel like you hit it right on the head is that, well, I'm protected

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from Tom and Carla because of distance. I've been yelled at before at the end of

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games. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes these games have affected our relationship.

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I feel like I would have been yelled at after that game. So yes, I was

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really setting her up where she can't cast a single spell as Tiamat

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devours the party. I don't know why that would set you up. Like why the

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fuck was I even there?

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And for some points of it, I wasn't. I was invisible.

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I think if you would have given Amy a heroic enough of a death, she would

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not have yelled at you. But anything less than that. Oh, yes.

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With a song. It would have to have a song. Sure. Yeah, there would have to

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be a song. Yes. Some sort of sweet in memoriam to Thea. Yeah. In the

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arms of an angel. Fly away. Don't sue us, please.

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Just continue to sing it off key like that.

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We're safe. No, she's no clue. She's like, what is that?

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So, yes, to answer that question, I was scared. Makes sense.

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Now, that said, go to a Sean question now.

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How much did you enjoy playing Tiamat and trying to kill Flint the

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in Nulara? Oh, that was super fun.

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I have to say, OK, it wasn't fun when I killed.

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You are. That was not fun, but it was super fun playing Tiamat.

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Yeah, there was a noticeable mood shift, I think, that we all felt.

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Look, you guys have been playing for so many years.

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It's insane. Yeah.

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Well, and also, I think Carla legitimately cried.

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So I legitimately started crying and we all just like froze for a minute.

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There was a big long pause. Yeah.

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You were sort of laughing, sort of crying.

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Oh, I mean, classic me, Sean.

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This is I always laugh like that's my go to like

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I'm having an emotion and then I just laugh.

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When I got in a car accident and the police came, like wasn't my fault,

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but someone like rode off my car and I was talking to the cop

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and I just was like, oh, laughing.

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I sound like a crazy person right now.

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So he is like, I understand. It's fine.

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Do you laugh at funerals?

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I repress the urge to giggle.

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Just my nervous like I got robbed once.

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Emotions just make me laugh.

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An accident robbed and then I killed you.

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What a steamed up year in, hey?

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All of my like peak peak life events.

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which is Nulara really dead?

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There were the glowing eyes of the knife.

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That went dim.

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That dimmed out.

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kind of gooned up a pretty big rule.

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I don't feel like we gooned it up either.

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We all agreed that that was the rule.

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I remember talking about it.

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Like when we were literally around the table.

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I don't think we gooned it up in the moment.

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and maybe we should start

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putting these house rules on the Internet

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because they I think that's where some of the disconnect came from.

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is if you sustain damage

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equal to your maximum below zero, it's instant death.

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it's instant death.

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So it's more hardcore.

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That's right. We so hardcore.

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Now, I tried to find where we found that.

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Oh, yeah, it does not exist.

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believe that was the rule.

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here's what we're going to do.

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and don't know how to do that, we all like legitimately

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we're like, yeah, that's the rule.

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That's that's how we've played it because we've run into character

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like almost deaths before, like an episode.

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Flint almost died very early on.

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were unconscious that and I think fucking hedges

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pretty sure that came up in that episode.

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So it's come up before.

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Sorry. Yeah, the whole hedge thing.

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I was like I don't Tom told you.

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you've got to put a fucking maze in it.

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Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

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Yeah, I sent a note to Sean.

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I was like, how like how much of an asshole am I

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if I make them go in a maze?

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You absolutely have to.

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Who's the worst?

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So I think it's awesome that the fans are rallying together

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to try and save new Laura.

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That's super cool. I agree.

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I thought it was so it was so nice and especially.

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Like, I don't know how long a month, probably.

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I think it was about two months.

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Yeah, so I had already been through like all of the stages of grief.

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I was totally like it was fine.

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She wasn't bargaining.

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I went for like an hour and a half long walk the next day after we recorded.

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I got into it, you know.

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that people weren't like, good, beat it.

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We were tired of her.

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Anyway, never liked her.

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Yeah, no feedback that we got that was, oh, beat it.

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It was like we did a live listen of it

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with our with some of our patrons and like

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I knew it was coming and I'm sitting there and Amy's like,

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And it's like chats going live, chats going, everybody's

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and then it stops.

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they were emotionally invested enough in our characters

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I'm like kind of borderline happy that we legit made some people cry.

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Some listeners were like, well, I'm bawling for the third time today,

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you guys. Thanks so much.

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Well, stop listening.

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But like, don't stop listening.

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But don't. But like, go like, you know, self care.

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Mm hmm. Yeah, the Donnie one was it was harsh.

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Yeah, I didn't cry at all.

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I'm a robot.

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Yeah, we got off that call and Amy's like, am I dead inside?

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you made this one awesome role and Donnie attacked Tiamat.

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Because we'd been deciding, right, that he wasn't magical.

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If he's a magical. And Russ was just like, yes.

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But then listening to it, too, was like, you know, next level.

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Obviously, we don't have we're not live mixing in sound effects

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and like, yeah, no, it definitely horrible pregnant silences

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to like just fill with tears.

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Russ made it better and very much worse.

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Yes. Oh, exactly.

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It was yes.

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It was so like emotionally impactful listening to it,

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even knowing what happened.

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Good job, Russ. You're the best.

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I like the sounds when Tiamat ate all the other people.

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It was crunchy and juicy and.

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You got to you got to get that sweet, sweet

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foley in there with blood splatter everywhere.

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Were you just like eating a sandwich in front of you?

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You didn't notice I was doing that one live. Oh, that's what was happening.

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A quick question here.

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How many hit points did Tiamat have now?

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Sean, do you remember? Oh, good question.

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I should have pulled it up.

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It was so they finished the two levels.

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So we were down down one hundred and fifty. Yeah.

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So that would have put her at six hundred and ninety.

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Holy shit. I think is about where.

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Yeah. Oh, my God.

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And the craziest thing was that last round.

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I think it was the round after Nulara died.

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I was Tiamat was sitting at like what was it, Russ?

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Twenty seven hit points after Donnie.

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Yeah, it was no more than that.

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It was something like that.

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And it was crazy.

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It was crazy. I couldn't believe it.

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Yeah, one more one more turn around.

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Like it would have been a different, different show.

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How does that make you feel, Carla, knowing you are literally

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like one turn away from not dying?

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It's like I said, like I have like distance from it now.

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And I feel like it was such a good like New

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Lara came so close to dying so many times.

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She's human. Like, yeah, she has like no business.

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Really, like humans have no fighting and trying to do any of these things.

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Like, she's so like soft and weak and like doesn't even really have great skills.

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Like, you know, so it was a I thought it was like a good fitting heroic end,

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even though obviously like, yeah, being alive would be like the better choice.

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But she got a shitload of damage in at the end.

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Right. Like, I felt like she went out on it, went out on a good note

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when Lady Silverhand like froze shit.

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And I just got to like hack away Tiamat.

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It was, you know, that was fun.

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What's it like dealing whole lots of damage?

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Oh, it's great.

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It's the only time it happened.

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So if it results in death, I wouldn't recommend it.

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Well, let's go.

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Let's go to a a Sean question.

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Knowing how it wraps up, would you have chosen to play any differently?

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Well, so I was assuming I was going to kill them all.

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Yeah. So we were assuming you were going to, too.

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Sean and I had a pregame meeting

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just to kind of talk about all the stats and all that sort of stuff.

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And we were looking at it as like if they don't do X, X, Y, Z,

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like, there's a good chance that all three of them are dead in the water.

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Even just hearing that number of hit points, like, how did we not all die?

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That's crazy.

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Well, you do have this this like one character that just attacks 30 times.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Donny was very helpful.

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OK, my one regret, it's not the answer.

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The question is, there was a slight disconnect.

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I think I was laying on my floor and my my I think my my my phone

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went to nighttime, right, where it just turns off all notifications.

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So you guys are like sitting around waiting for me because my

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and then I messed up because I wanted to just have it appear

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and then, you know, come in like this.

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You know, that would have been amazing.

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That would have been great.

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That was the only thing that I would like to change.

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The entrance, the grand entrance.

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That's good. Some sort of smoke bomb and then.

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That would be even better.

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For for, I guess, Flintia New Laura,

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Flintia, do you wish you brought a cleric to the to the gunfight?

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I mean, yes and no.

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I think a cleric would have been really helpful

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for us throughout all of our adventures, not just for that fight.

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Well, the thing is, is that when we created these characters,

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we didn't quite realize how important bAlydince is.

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We just chose what we wanted to be and we went for it.

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And it worked out real well because we have a DM who's very kind

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and we seem to pick up NPCs that happen to be clerics or wizards or someone.

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Now, I would also just like to say that I dropped the ball

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in the Tiamat fight because I was so far over on the other

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fucking side of Tiamat that I couldn't get close enough

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to make any of my healing spells do anything.

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And so and it unfortunately didn't occur to me to use my fucking thunder

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clap tome, my tome of thunder to get over to them faster

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until after New Laura died.

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I know it's sorry, buddy.

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Probably good you weren't over within that 90 foot radius.

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I wouldn't have absolutely died.

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I wasn't even tacking right when she died.

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It was I was going for flint.

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It was accidental. I was just like.

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Yeah, it was just it was just proximity to flint

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because Tiamat was trying to take out flint

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and he was dealing over 100 damage in one round and like in one turn.

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And I mean, I guess I was aware of that, that had I gone over there,

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I would have been within the blast zone.

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And like, frankly, you guys, your hit points, well, it weighed my own.

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And so I was attacking flint and another individual

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in this group decided, oh, New Laura's in the blast zone.

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Who would that be?

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That was established very early on,

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and then there was no movement declared.

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That's true. And it was looking back at it.

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I should have fucking moved after one of my attacks to like free up some space.

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Sorry, Amy, I interrupted you.

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Oh, no, that's OK.

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I can't remember what I was saying, but I just feel like I do have

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healing word and I had mass heal wounds.

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And like I had some good because I always tried to make sure

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I had healing spells that we could use.

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And I had potions.

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And I even my last ditch effort was to give

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guacamole my ring of which I think is a question in here.

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What is on the ring?

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What is on the ring of spell storing?

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So now that we're on the ring, what is on it?

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Can you bring up my sheet?

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I know there is a healing spell on it,

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which is what I was hoping that she would use for herself.

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Well, I had potions like I still had healing potions,

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but I had to decide like I just decided to use all of my things

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to try and do damage, not to try and.

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And you know what?

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I think that was generally you could.

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That sounds like we play the game.

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That's the way we play the game, though, right?

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We try to go all in.

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But I think maybe this also might be a little lesson learned that

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taking a step back and taking care of yourself, too,

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might be like, you know, a good thing, a bAlydince.

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So my ring of

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spell storing is OK.

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So it currently holds healing word, which is a third level spell

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guiding bolt and searing smite.

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So there would have been a heal spell in there.

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So I gave it to guacamole, but she couldn't get to you fast enough.

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Well, I think when you have seven attacks, it's it's easy to pause

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and down a potion as Flint did a few times.

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But when you have one, I think Newara made the right call,

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like trying to adapt.

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Yeah, I think as far as you guys played it from from the DM watching it,

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like I think you guys played it well for your characters,

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because although the session took an hour and a half to play through

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where there were only four or five rounds,

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which means there was 30 seconds from when Tiamat comes out,

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eats those wizards and then battle starts.

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So 30 seconds from when battle starts that that is actually happening.

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It's not long in terms of like the in-game time. Sure.

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That kind of makes me feel better.

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Like literally, she pops up at a nowhere and we slash and hack.

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One of us dies, but then eventually we kill her. Yeah.

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Like we're all within like a few blinks of the eye.

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And that's, you know, that's a lightning breath.

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That's a poison breath.

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That's two flame breaths. That's acid breath.

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I love that you poison breath me, by the way.

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I had no idea that was funny.

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I was like, oh, yeah, give it to me.

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Like I said, me and Sean had had a pregame about Tiamat,

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but I didn't tell him any of your resistances.

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Well, thank you, because that would be a dick move.

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That would be a super dick move.

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Tiamat wouldn't have known.

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Tiamat wouldn't have known.

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I was like, how hard should I go?

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And he was like, kill them all.

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I can tell. And here's how you do it.

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Russ, did any questions ask about the two rounds of eating all the

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eating all the dudes?

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No, because that did not go as planned in the book.

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And I don't think Russ or I expected it to go.

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So the whole idea is Tiamat has to eat the red wizards by color.

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And then what's his name?

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Severin Severin.

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And so I think the way the books written is that gives you three rounds

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to lay into Tiamat, where she can't she's like she's so focused.

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She won't attack back.

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But it was so funny because it was just like that was everyone was just

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like staring.

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It was just this like tableau of quiet.

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I wasn't aware that we were in combat.

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And I think maybe you're always in combat.

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And that's the thing, too.

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When you were you are maybe are not, I don't know,

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considering switching up how we approach battles in combat

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and changing it, because right now it's very much a end roll for initiative.

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Right. Yeah. But nobody had rolled for initiative.

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So we've really been like Pavlov's dog.

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We were so trained.

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And I kind of like that said, I like the way that end of time does it

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with the with the dungeon world aspect, right, where it's very.

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Action, you know, something happens.

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What do you do? What do you do because of it? Yeah.

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Yeah. So Tiamat emerges.

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What do you do? Right.

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We stand and gawk like, fuck it.

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Maybe you do.

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Like Tiamat emerges.

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That could still be something that happens.

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That was my favorite part of the whole thing was when Tiamat's head

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is just right over the just like I could just the breath coming over you.

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Just like right there in that moment.

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Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah.

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But again, I'm so glad that you were Tiamat, Sean,

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because you added a certain level of levity that absolutely yes.

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Because if it was resting all those things and doing all those things,

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it I would have taken it much more personally than it would have been,

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because it is a role of the die and it is how we play.

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But it would have been like, you fucking like, why did you do that?

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Like, see, this is why I got an outside source.

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You fucking took coming in and just

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not because I couldn't handle it.

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I could handle it.

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Let's be honest. Let's be honest.

430
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Yeah. You can't.

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I couldn't handle it.

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Russ can't handle being smothered in his sleep.

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That's not his fault.

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Who can? It's OK to admit you can't handle that.

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Was there we kind of we kind of touched on this.

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Was there a way to make Donnie's attacks magical?

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Not in the moment, I don't think.

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Could we have gone to a wizard and imbued him with some magical power?

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Maybe. But in the moment, I don't think so.

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Now, that said, as we had mentioned, Donnie's last attack counted.

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It did. So how will I interpret that in canon?

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Because I thought about it when Sean asked.

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And, you know, kind of just quickly bounced off as like

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there's some power that came from Nulara or something

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that happened that went to Donnie and gave him the ability to

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inflict some damage, be it small or large.

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It was his grief. It was his love for Nulara.

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Love conquers all. Love is magical.

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Exactly. In the arms of an angel.

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And it makes sense, like they were like mystically bound together.

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So like the severing of that connection could have like

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released some sort of magical energy.

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Yeah. It makes sense.

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Also, super great for the story. Exactly.

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Oh, I think we had to. Like, we couldn't have not.

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It was Donnie's big moment. We're all like, yeah, I think we had to.

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Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

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It wouldn't have felt right otherwise.

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You know, listening back and editing to it or editing it.

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I was like, I listened to it for 10 hours straight, 12 hours straight.

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How much weeping did you do? Oh, so much weeping.

462
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I was like, no, I'm not crying hard enough.

463
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I need to move that.

464
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But I really need to wrap up these sound effects.

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Yeah. But I think it worked.

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Had we not counted it and I had said something like, oh, he's not magical.

467
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Like that would have been the room.

468
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The room would have turned on you, Russ.

469
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So there would have been one of these.

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That said, we didn't.

471
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Sean and I didn't say that the thing counted.

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We let you role play out, Donnie, and then go back.

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And he went by.

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And I mean, you could have rolled poorly and not hit at all.

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But he did. So story above all else for me.

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So Donnie's last attack did count, in fact, it did.

477
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And yeah, so we're tracking that up to the magical power of friendship.

478
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All right. So here's the main point.

479
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I should point out, I made an error listening back.

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So if any fans, I don't know if any fans have added up all the damage.

481
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,520
I don't know if it was all in there, but

482
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,080
because the hard part is it's late at night.

483
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:06,960
And, you know, like Tom is literally doing like 32, 35 damage, 12 cold, 37.

484
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,119
And I think I took one of those 37, which I think was a roll to hit.

485
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,759
And I think I took it as damage as well.

486
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:13,279
So there was one of them.

487
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:14,240
Nope. Take back these.

488
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,039
You know what? These things happen.

489
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,879
It's just like it's like 17 things he's calling out.

490
00:25:18,879 --> 00:25:20,399
I'm like, I think I got them all.

491
00:25:20,399 --> 00:25:22,720
So I mean, like, keep up.

492
00:25:22,879 --> 00:25:26,519
I had like four fucking attacks and then I got to action surge at one point

493
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,960
for a fifth, like it was, I mean, I built Flint to be a fucking champion fighter.

494
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:32,279
That is what he does.

495
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:33,240
Yeah. Yeah.

496
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,559
So I think I did get confused at one point.

497
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:36,799
That's fair. Yeah.

498
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,480
We I do still have the image you sent me of the sheet,

499
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,960
so we can go back and check it.

500
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,079
But I mean, the last I don't think it would have mattered, though, that 32.

501
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:47,279
He still would have killed Tiamat in that last round.

502
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,879
Yeah, you had 20 and Flint did like almost max damage four times.

503
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:53,160
Yeah, it was insane.

504
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,599
I think that was even when you you action search, right?

505
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,080
So there was five attacks there.

506
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,200
So basically, Tiamat was dead after the first attack.

507
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,040
And I was just like, no, I'm going to wait till the end,

508
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,320
just because Tom thought he was dying.

509
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,320
Tom was like, I'm going out in a ball of glory.

510
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,040
Oh, I was like, like literally, I kept my action

511
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,440
surge for like the last possible moment to like get that one extra shot in.

512
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,080
And I was like, well, this is it.

513
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,480
Yes. Now we're never.

514
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,440
I saw you like, I'm going out in a in glory.

515
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,080
And I was like, yeah, no, because had it not killed to you,

516
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,800
had he not killed Tiamat in that moment.

517
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:26,599
Oh, I was Tiamat.

518
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,720
Tiamat would have had a legendary action

519
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,519
on the next between turn legendary action.

520
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:33,559
Flint was down to like 20 hit points.

521
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,359
It was like less than 20.

522
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,119
Had Tiamat had one more turn,

523
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,720
both Flint and Thea, I think, would have been dead.

524
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,079
Yeah. Yeah.

525
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,519
Yeah. If you could have caught me, I would have wild shaped

526
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,680
and then and then you could have killed me as a wolf.

527
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:50,079
But then I come back with all the hit points as Thea.

528
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,960
But actually, if you'd wild shaped, you know, I see

529
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:55,319
I didn't want to attack.

530
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:56,600
I didn't want to attack any animals.

531
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,319
So if you wild shaped, that might have been a good point.

532
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,000
That's true. There was precedent.

533
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,279
He wasn't attacking hippogriffs.

534
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,079
He wasn't attacking Donnie. Oh, that's true.

535
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,799
Yeah. Yeah.

536
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:06,640
Why was he wasn't attacking Glock?

537
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,200
Yeah, true.

538
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,799
I was too emotionally like distraught.

539
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:11,079
That would have been a good move.

540
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,840
Those pieces together.

541
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,319
We would have ended with you joining joining Tiamat.

542
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,319
If I could turn back down.

543
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,240
You're just permanently a wolf and you are like Tiamat's right hand man.

544
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:25,960
And this is what I do now.

545
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,960
I live here now.

546
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,400
Every survival man, it's survival shown.

547
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,200
I mean, this kind of ties in with some of the other stuff we've answered,

548
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,160
but we'll ask it anyways.

549
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,519
What was the hardest part and the most enjoyable part

550
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:40,640
of walking in to play the big, bad, evil guy or girl from another show?

551
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,600
Well, I think it's hard.

552
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,200
It's always hard coming into a table.

553
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,799
It's nice because I've been at the table with all of you before that.

554
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,680
So that made it easier.

555
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,840
But right, there's a you guys have a rapport.

556
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,480
And like, I listen to all your episodes.

557
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,039
So I sort of.

558
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:52,519
But you know what I mean?

559
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,200
Coming in, you're like, you're a fifth, I'm a fourth wheel, fifth wheel, whatever it is.

560
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,160
Yeah, so I will.

561
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,440
You make us perfectly bAlydinced and really rounded us out.

562
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:04,000
So I think that's the hardest thing, right?

563
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,400
Is just coming in and not wanting to overbear, right?

564
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,559
Like, like just to and wow, the most fun.

565
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,799
I think it was that opening bit where nobody did anything.

566
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,079
And I just had all three of Tiamat's heads right on the just like

567
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:23,799
cocking my head at her, just like, I think I called her child.

568
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:25,799
Make an amulet. Right.

569
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:30,319
And my favorite moment was, yes, was that, Tom, when I was like I was.

570
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:34,919
So basically I was like, she only wants to eat all of the red wizards and stuff.

571
00:28:34,919 --> 00:28:38,039
And so she was like, are you you're not one of them, are you?

572
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,279
Yes, I am. We are.

573
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,279
And pull out the amulet.

574
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:46,159
I'm not putting two and two together.

575
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:47,799
Check out my jewelry.

576
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:50,799
That was my favorite moment.

577
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:53,319
I'm surprised I didn't die.

578
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:55,759
Nularaaaa, it should have been me.

579
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,200
I tried. I put you in a poison cloud.

580
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,159
I did everything.

581
00:28:59,159 --> 00:29:00,480
That just made me stronger.

582
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,839
It should have made me stronger.

583
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,200
Well, work on how to figure that one out.

584
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:08,559
Would would you three have ever would you have

585
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:12,000
would Flint, Thea or Nularaaaa building those characters,

586
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,440
would you have changed anything in early levels of those characters

587
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,480
to try and help with the fight?

588
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,559
Knowing how it went.

589
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,400
I mean, knowing how many like good bonuses and attacks

590
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,680
Flint had going into that fight, I wouldn't have changed him one bit.

591
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,240
He needed every fucking scrap of it.

592
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,160
For Thea, I don't think I could have changed her in any way.

593
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:39,599
What I needed to be is I needed to be a higher level druid, but.

594
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,640
I am not in control of that,

595
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,120
so I needed more than just one fucking spell

596
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,160
that I could have used against Tiamat.

597
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,280
The other things that we needed to do to weaken Tiamat,

598
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,920
that would have been better for you.

599
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,600
Yeah, so there was like there's like seven things you can do.

600
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,880
And so when when Russ and I met, we're going over everything on her.

601
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,960
And she's written to say, OK, when she comes out,

602
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,680
she is really like impossible to beat, because, you know,

603
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,120
and then each thing you accomplish, right?

604
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,160
Like the mask, you know, you know, killing off.

605
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,560
You killed one of them, not the four, you know, killing off.

606
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,840
Each thing you've done will lower her.

607
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840
And so I would lose, you know, that reaction, those legendary actions.

608
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Those I think the next level, if I'm right,

609
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,280
Russ would have restricted how many legendaries I get.

610
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,480
I get it. Like we could have taken you down enough notches

611
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,200
that I would have been.

612
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,400
It was one more.

613
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,240
One more would have really helped.

614
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,320
And you didn't even let me have my tear it on.

615
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:41,720
I will say that I put Ross.

616
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,799
I said, hey, Ross, so how many do you think they're going to have done?

617
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:45,879
You know, because we're way early.

618
00:30:45,879 --> 00:30:47,839
And he was like, two.

619
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,879
Oh, oh, Ross.

620
00:30:50,879 --> 00:30:52,480
You knew it was a skill.

621
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,759
I did. That's fun.

622
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,879
Going into like, because the one that you could have done,

623
00:30:56,879 --> 00:31:00,240
but I knew you probably weren't going to be able to do

624
00:31:00,439 --> 00:31:02,039
was interrupting the ritual.

625
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:03,079
That's a hard one.

626
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,319
You would have need to have stopped.

627
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:08,359
There were there always needed to be five going

628
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,080
performing the ritual at any time.

629
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,600
And there were six up above that you couldn't get to.

630
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,240
And they were so far apart.

631
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720
They were. They were so far apart.

632
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,360
We were trying so hard to stop the ritual.

633
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,880
Like we wanted to.

634
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,080
And the modules written said we're just like running across the hall

635
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,120
the whole time.

636
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,400
Well, I love that your immersion killed one right away.

637
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,040
I was listening. I was like, yes.

638
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,280
But yeah, I mean, the module is written.

639
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,000
So it's not going to you're not going to write.

640
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,160
Like you're not going to stop.

641
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,080
Yeah, it's not easy.

642
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,720
It's not supposed to be easy.

643
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,400
I do wish I was a higher level Drew that I could have.

644
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,759
What about you, Nularaaaa? What would you change?

645
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,279
I mean, I don't know.

646
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,080
I mean, play a totally different kind of character,

647
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,440
which I wouldn't have wanted to do, right?

648
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,960
Like I was Nularaaaa for so long.

649
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,040
So I think because none of us had really played before

650
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,400
and we literally just like opened the book and we're like,

651
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360
well, I guess this is what I'll be.

652
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,480
There was like a fun innocence to how we created

653
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,799
those characters that then we were stuck with,

654
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,559
which made us have to, you know, try and figure things out and just.

655
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,400
It was really a get creative with it.

656
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,079
You got it. You made your bed.

657
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,519
So I wouldn't have wanted to change that, even though like

658
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,319
as a D&D character, I don't think I would play a human ranger again.

659
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,920
It's like, what are the two like weakest things I could be?

660
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,839
I should do that.

661
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,120
So I probably wouldn't play that again.

662
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,920
Personal challenge.

663
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,640
I'm happy that I did for Nularaaaa.

664
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,320
We're all we're all happy you did, too.

665
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,960
If Tiamat were to try and make an escape again someday,

666
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,280
how would you this is for this is for Sean and or anybody else.

667
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,640
How would you see her attempting that escape for a second time?

668
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,080
And would you want to reprise her role?

669
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,080
So mostly for Sean.

670
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,280
But everybody else can answer how she should escape.

671
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,280
There's no if I'm coming back.

672
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,080
It's a solid yes.

673
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,080
I think it's going to be like a Tiamat

674
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,360
like Mission Impossible thing.

675
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,720
Now she's got to escape.

676
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,200
So it's like a side quest of her own going on.

677
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,560
I was thinking of like Tiamat meets Godzilla.

678
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,920
We have something like that.

679
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:14,720
Oh, yeah.

680
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,200
You guys need to make a Godzilla friend in season two.

681
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Let's just run down the story based questions.

682
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Will we ever find out what happened to the Grungs or Flamikens?

683
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,560
Yes. Will we ever find out what happens to Bort?

684
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,760
And would he would he have been any help in this fight?

685
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,560
Yes, we will find out.

686
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Tom, would he have been any help in this fight?

687
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,920
He would have been some help for trying to disrupt the ritual

688
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,120
because he's got mad archery skills.

689
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,320
But besides that, no, he would not have been a help

690
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,520
in the fight against Tiamat,

691
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,680
because he just wouldn't have been able to do as much damage.

692
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,360
Yeah, he wouldn't have had all of Flint's sweet turns

693
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,080
turn number of attacks and stuff.

694
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Will there be a filler episode letting us know

695
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,160
what happens after the battle and how they begin to rebuild?

696
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,840
You're listening to it right now.

697
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,840
No, no, no.

698
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,280
Yes, there will be.

699
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:05,920
But it will be part of the next season.

700
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,159
Will there one day be an episode?

701
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:11,960
We can do that one separately.

702
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,639
So, yes, all of those questions.

703
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:14,639
Yes.

704
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:18,159
Now, how season two was going to work is we're going to come back

705
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,880
with the new characters, Moot, Glim and Sully

706
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,239
a little bit back in time.

707
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,519
So it's before the fight with Tiamat.

708
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:28,599
So we're going to catch up with them and figure out.

709
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,320
How they get together, because they're not together right now.

710
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,800
And then we're going to meet back up with Flint and Thea.

711
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:40,160
And then it's going to be like

712
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,320
there's going to be two stories running concurrently.

713
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,360
It's going to be exciting and terrifying.

714
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,280
Can't wait for it.

715
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,360
But yes, all of those points will be touched on

716
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,600
when we get back to Flint and Thea

717
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,120
and then dealt with in their own way, because their story is still going on.

718
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,440
That's very Lord of the Rings currently have back in time

719
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,840
by pitbulls stuck in your head.

720
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,559
Mr. Worldwide, Mr. Worldwide.

721
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Yep. Yeah, I wish you all good.

722
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,120
But yes, it is very, very Lord of the Rings style.

723
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,680
Understand, I just do it.

724
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,880
No, it's OK.

725
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Sorry, is there a question in there?

726
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,240
Can Amy rap poorly?

727
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,200
No, because no, I'm pretty sure you know, you you wrote.

728
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,320
You wrote it. I wrote it.

729
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,039
Yeah, you can we.

730
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,440
Amy, can you just like shoot me an email real quick?

731
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Make sure I've got like pitbull on my wedding playlist

732
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,719
so I can see you rap that in real life.

733
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,239
That'd be great. Yes.

734
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:38,879
Perfect, perfect, perfect.

735
00:35:38,879 --> 00:35:40,440
Sean, we know it's getting late for you.

736
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,639
We'll we'll ask you the last question, then you can decide.

737
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:44,319
Well, there's one more.

738
00:35:44,319 --> 00:35:45,519
How much control?

739
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:46,639
Again, we kind of touched on this.

740
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:48,319
How much control did you have over the characters

741
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,599
over Tiamat's actions versus how much control did Russ dictate?

742
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,920
So Russ, I'm just a puppet for Russ, basically.

743
00:35:58,279 --> 00:35:59,719
Yeah, yeah, that's how I remember it.

744
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:04,600
Yeah, it's going to go pretty fast in this game.

745
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,360
So Russ and I met.

746
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,800
What was it like two weeks before recording?

747
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,480
This was a long time ago.

748
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,880
Just to go over Tiamat, how the mechanism is going to work.

749
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,480
And that was it.

750
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,480
So basically I had a text to Russ if I had any questions.

751
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,320
So I was updating Russ with where my hit points were at.

752
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,320
And I think I asked I asked about Donnie.

753
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,080
I don't remember what else I asked.

754
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,960
If Donnie's attacks were counted,

755
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,440
kept in touch about hit points, I feel like that might have been it.

756
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,559
Yeah.

757
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,200
Oh, you were trying to.

758
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,320
There was one point you were trying to help them with something, too.

759
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,720
And I was checking out.

760
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:51,080
Oh, yeah, yeah. I sent you a message because I wanted to know

761
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,160
if Thea had a certain kind of spell

762
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,280
and Russ leaned over and looked at her sheet.

763
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,920
That that Amy was just madly trying to read the whole time,

764
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,600
just like he just leans over and he comes and look at the screen

765
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,360
the entire time.

766
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,360
I was just like, anything, anything.

767
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,680
And he just leans back and text me.

768
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Nope.

769
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,480
So, yeah, that was it.

770
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,280
So so I yeah, full control.

771
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,160
Should I say, Russ, that I I did I went hard,

772
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,760
except on that final attack on Tom on Flint,

773
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,720
where I chose to bite him.

774
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,440
And then I rode really poorly because I have to subtract 15.

775
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120
That said, though, I don't think you could have done anything else

776
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,360
because all of her breaths were reserved for legendary legendary actions.

777
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Correct. But I guess you're right.

778
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,680
But I guess what I could have done is the full attack of the bite

779
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,800
plus the two claws, maybe.

780
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,800
I didn't even think of that.

781
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,360
So so I just chose one.

782
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,640
It is a valid attack.

783
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,280
So I chose the bite, which is the more damage than the other one, potentially.

784
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,480
So anyways, yeah, that was the only moment where I was like, all right.

785
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,840
You weren't even to know, though, that bite could have killed Tom.

786
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Yeah, very well could have.

787
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,960
I think it could have. I knew he was low.

788
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,720
But I had to because you were at level two,

789
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,720
I had to have to subtract 15 points from every attack.

790
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,560
And so could you guys imagine

791
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,000
if Nularaaara was dead and Flute was dead and then Thea was just

792
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,360
she would switch sides.

793
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,520
Oh, yeah, no one would have blamed her.

794
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,960
I think she would have done anything to stay alive, baby.

795
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,360
What are you going to do?

796
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,480
But yeah, I had full control.

797
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,280
I had full control. Yeah, I concur.

798
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,199
Good. You've answered the question correctly.

799
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:39,079
Russ is madly testing Sean, saying what he should be saying.

800
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,159
Sean, blink twice if you need help.

801
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,159
Oh, God, he's blinking so much.

802
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,639
Too many times, too many times.

803
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:48,159
Russ is amazing.

804
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:49,440
He's the best.

805
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,320
Speak, Puppet, speak.

806
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,800
He's put a chip in my head when we saw each other in Seattle.

807
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,120
Well, I look forward to coming back, maybe not as Tiamat.

808
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,080
Thanks so much for having me, guys.

809
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,840
I'm going to go to bed. Thank you so much.

810
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,240
Love you all. Bye. Bye.

811
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,400
That guy's the best.

812
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,200
He is the best.

813
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,039
Such a delight.

814
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,680
He makes me so happy just when he's like just around.

815
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,080
OK, let's start going down some questions here.

816
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,120
And this is part two, not part two.

817
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,480
This is after the intro.

818
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,000
This is just as continuing.

819
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,239
Hey, you're just getting it straight.

820
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,960
How much did you love the names for the potions?

821
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,519
Oh, they were great. They were very fun.

822
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:34,159
And like a little bit tricky and misleading, but not because once you knew why,

823
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:35,880
yeah, it made sense.

824
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,320
Like once you knew what it did, Andre, like, OK, but yeah, go juice.

825
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,079
I assumed it was for speed, but Andre the giant.

826
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:44,679
OK, I get it. It's for strength.

827
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:46,719
Yeah, it was fun. They were fun.

828
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,119
Yeah, they were great.

829
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,559
Do you ever want the party to go through a maze again?

830
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,159
No, I mean, I feel like it's a good chance for redemption.

831
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:59,400
So I'm going to say yes. Oh, Tom, I'm going to say no,

832
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,320
because just not even for our character sake, for me as a human person

833
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:10,159
sitting over here with very poor sense of direction as it is,

834
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:14,719
trying to because we're not we don't usually use visuals,

835
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,360
which I think is a big problem.

836
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,559
It's probably part of why we literally beautiful mind this thing.

837
00:40:20,759 --> 00:40:23,799
I get totally I get very frustrated.

838
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,480
And I'm just like, oh, I don't know, just pick a fucking side.

839
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:30,719
Like I'm like, I'm going to just go as random

840
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,880
until Russ pities us enough to show us the way out.

841
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:36,759
And it worked.

842
00:40:36,759 --> 00:40:39,400
Well, yeah, 15 episodes later.

843
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,920
But I mean, you never have to show us.

844
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,799
It's that's true.

845
00:40:43,799 --> 00:40:46,759
TMS could have risen and we could have still been in that fucking maze.

846
00:40:47,759 --> 00:40:50,039
Oh, yeah, that could have happened.

847
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,639
Yeah, I would have had just keep coming up with new rooms to put you guys in.

848
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:55,800
I would have run out long ago.

849
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,519
It's like 20 episodes later and we think we're out of the maze.

850
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,440
And he's like, and you come back to the fountain room.

851
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,519
What? Oh, my God.

852
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,880
What a twist.

853
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,480
I mean, it can't happen now because you said it.

854
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,519
But I mean, are we in the maze right now?

855
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,320
Maybe. Yeah, so it's a hard thing for me.

856
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,840
I think we I think we talked about that a couple of times

857
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,680
that we don't necessarily want to do mazes,

858
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,079
but more puzzle, yes, puzzles or that sort of thing.

859
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:28,800
I liked the easy puzzle that that Carla gave us

860
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,600
when we had to go and find that feather

861
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,760
in Carla's one shot.

862
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Yeah. And there was a little a little drizzle, a little drizzle.

863
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,240
It's a it's a puzzle and a riddle.

864
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,519
It's a wordplay. It's fun.

865
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:44,640
Yeah. Yes.

866
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,359
So not necessarily mazes,

867
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:50,319
but puzzle based things will probably start to work in

868
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:51,599
and try and figure out a better way

869
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,960
so that we can visualize whatever is happening,

870
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,319
because I think that's the main breakdown is the visual

871
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,039
is a little bit lost in the way we play

872
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,799
just trying to describe everything.

873
00:42:01,799 --> 00:42:04,559
So, yes, but no, but yes, but no.

874
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,839
Will there ever be a campaign GM or DM by Carla or Amy?

875
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:14,319
This could probably be for Patreon specifically, but

876
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,159
I think I'd like to try my hand at it again.

877
00:42:17,799 --> 00:42:19,199
Yeah, I would maybe do it again.

878
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,679
I mean, just like something short, like a few episodes

879
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:24,960
as opposed to like three years. Yeah.

880
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,239
Like a two to four, like a two to four.

881
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,759
Yeah, but just doing the one was like

882
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,960
it could have been way more in depth easily.

883
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,039
Like that easily could have been three episodes.

884
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:36,000
Yeah. Well, yeah, that one.

885
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,159
Those ones were both over two hours.

886
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:39,279
Yeah. Yeah.

887
00:42:39,279 --> 00:42:40,480
So they were already two.

888
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,000
And then, yeah, we could have spent more time

889
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
kind of between elements. Right.

890
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:45,480
So, yeah. So, yes.

891
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,079
Yeah. Look for that on Patreon.

892
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,519
Patreon.com slash dumb dragon cast in the near ish future.

893
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,960
Was there any item you were both like, well, it is a bad

894
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,800
because he promises his body can't cash.

895
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,039
Next week. Next week.

896
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:02,920
His body's writing checks.

897
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,280
His math is writing checks.

898
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,159
Yeah, it's all right. Let's move on.

899
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,519
Was there any item you forgot about

900
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,119
that you now think would have been useful?

901
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,119
Using my Tome of Thunder.

902
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,519
Earlier, like zipping in and out,

903
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:20,559
like using it to teleport myself in many places.

904
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,480
I mean, the dudes who are up top,

905
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,000
which was my initial reason I wanted to teleport,

906
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,280
they were floating and teleported there.

907
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,639
It would have been like, I'd be like, OK,

908
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:33,880
how many actions can I have?

909
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Can I get up there and then do my boot thing?

910
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,360
Like, so I wouldn't have minded using the jumpy

911
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,440
diamond in the Tiamat fight.

912
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,280
Yeah. But I just didn't think to do it right.

913
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,960
We could have moved a lot faster

914
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,840
because we could have gotten 50 feet, right?

915
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,400
Well, you could have teleported 30 and then moved your 30.

916
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,079
So, yeah, you could have teleported many times.

917
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,480
Imagine juggling three diamonds and going, whoop, whoop, whoop.

918
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,000
It's true. 30, 60, 90, boom.

919
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,800
Should have what it could have.

920
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,440
So that's all this is. What about you, Carla?

921
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,599
Anything? I don't think so.

922
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,039
Like, I actually like kind of remembered to do things

923
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,880
in that final fight.

924
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:16,599
So and to be fair, I didn't like since then,

925
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,960
I didn't go back and look because.

926
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,920
Yeah, me neither.

927
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,800
Because you're living in the past, baby.

928
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,280
Always moving forward, right?

929
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,320
Hey, I have a question.

930
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,200
Did Sean roll disadvantage for me when he attacked

931
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,440
whenever he attacked me because I had my cloak of displacement?

932
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,880
He had True Sight. He had True Sight.

933
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Yeah, he canceled it out.

934
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,720
God, could he be invisible?

935
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,640
Because he disappeared to us, but not to him.

936
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,240
Yeah, not to her, though.

937
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,680
So, yeah, we're always I always feel like I'm

938
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,880
like misgendering Tiamat, but it's because Sean is a he

939
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,200
and Tiamat is a she.

940
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,640
That's where that disconnect.

941
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,440
It came up a couple of times in the episode.

942
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,560
And I think somebody mentioned it.

943
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,360
But yet we tried very hard and we were very distraught.

944
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,720
Yeah, there was a lot going on.

945
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,360
We were directing a lot of we were looking at Sean's face.

946
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,280
Right. So I was saying, yeah, I don't know.

947
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,200
I just feel so.

948
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,680
And plus, I was legitimately nervous during the fight.

949
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,360
And when I'm nervous, I just like

950
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,200
I'm not in control of what my brain is doing.

951
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,680
Like when Tiamat knocked your weapon out of your hands,

952
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,559
you're like, yeah, cool, cool.

953
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,079
Yeah, cool. Like I attack her again.

954
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,039
It's like with what weapon?

955
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:20,000
Oh, right.

956
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,720
I don't know. I blocked that out completely.

957
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,920
So good.

958
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,440
He just blacked out for a minute.

959
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,480
I thought about taking it up.

960
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,039
I was like, no, it's perfect to the mindset

961
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:29,640
that everybody was in at that moment.

962
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,880
Yeah, we were like in it.

963
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,599
Like it was heightened and it was like, ah.

964
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,000
Yeah, and I like just missed a critical on one roll.

965
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,200
And then I like added too many bonuses to it.

966
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,800
And it was like, ah, and I was like, wait,

967
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,960
no, that's not right.

968
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,440
But I was so like, oh, if only I had the critical

969
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,080
that my brain was like, yeah, just say stuff.

970
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,160
What the fuck?

971
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,160
How much do you think you've grown as a player

972
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,360
and or DM since you started playing?

973
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,280
This much?

974
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,120
Yeah.

975
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,120
I mean, some because I'd never played before.

976
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,720
So definitely some.

977
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,960
There's absolutely been growth.

978
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,360
And I think I'm always a bit torn on it.

979
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,640
Sometimes I feel like, hey,

980
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,160
we kind of know what we're doing now.

981
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,320
Like I do actually like kind of understand

982
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,360
like the basics of how this game is played.

983
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,880
If I like listen to other podcasts or whatever,

984
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,720
it's like, okay, like I get what's happening.

985
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:19,960
And then sometimes when we're playing,

986
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,760
I'm like, I have no fucking idea what I'm doing.

987
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Like, I don't even know how to play this game at all.

988
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,039
So some.

989
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,200
D&D is so like life.

990
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,039
Yeah, yeah.

991
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:30,200
Sometimes you feel like you really got it.

992
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,320
Right, you feel like you've got it all together.

993
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,160
Yeah.

994
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,000
And then you realize you don't.

995
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,039
And then you look at other people

996
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,239
and you're like, I get what their life is going on.

997
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:40,840
And then you try to do your own thing.

998
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,440
And you're like, I don't know what's happening.

999
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,259
No idea.

1000
00:46:43,259 --> 00:46:44,099
Yeah.

1001
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:49,920
As a DM, I think that I've grown a bit.

1002
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,119
I mean.

1003
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:52,199
Are you looking for validation?

1004
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:53,039
No, I'm not looking for validation.

1005
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:54,159
Is this where we say nice things about Russ?

1006
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:55,000
No, stop it, stop it, stop it.

1007
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Is this the time that we say nice things?

1008
00:46:56,279 --> 00:46:58,800
Oh, our congratulatory back patting?

1009
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,639
We haven't had the back pat.

1010
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:00,880
We haven't had the back pat yet.

1011
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,719
Hey, Russ.

1012
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,920
So yes, stop it.

1013
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,679
I think I've grown some.

1014
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:11,319
In that I didn't run a three-year campaign before this.

1015
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:17,440
And I think that we've grown together as players and DMs,

1016
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,759
just knowing where our comfort level

1017
00:47:19,759 --> 00:47:21,480
and our strengths are within the game

1018
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,480
and then pushing each other to grow and make them better.

1019
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:29,239
I agree with that because there was one point

1020
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,059
when we were podcasting in a closet

1021
00:47:32,059 --> 00:47:34,519
and we had this conversation where.

1022
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:35,359
Look at us in a house now.

1023
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,240
God, we're not only growing as players,

1024
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,760
but we're growing as adults.

1025
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,280
Where we talked how we really suck

1026
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680
at talking to people in game

1027
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,680
and how we need to transition from player to character

1028
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,880
and like fucking start to role play.

1029
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,519
And so I think I tried to get into it

1030
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,079
with like this wispy voice.

1031
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:03,720
I think at one point Thea,

1032
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,480
had she was just a little more like that.

1033
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,720
I think there was like two episodes.

1034
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:09,840
I know, it didn't last long

1035
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,200
because it just didn't feel true to her.

1036
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,760
But I remember certain parts,

1037
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,840
like Tom would say something and I'd be like,

1038
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,280
and what would it sound like if Flint said that?

1039
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,720
And we would really like be on each other like that.

1040
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:26,080
Like Carla would be like, she said in the game,

1041
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,600
like said new Laura.

1042
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,080
And I think we've exponentially grown

1043
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:36,639
in that factor that we can actually,

1044
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,679
and I think it was part of getting out of our own heads

1045
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:42,199
and just, you know, like we're playing a game.

1046
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,000
We're grownups pretending.

1047
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,039
Well, it's a shift from around the table playing,

1048
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:48,759
which there's a lot of games around the table

1049
00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:50,159
that do a lot of role playing,

1050
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:52,920
but a lot of them that I've been a part of

1051
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,799
are much more mechanics-based.

1052
00:48:54,799 --> 00:48:56,799
So you walk into a room, you loot the dungeon,

1053
00:48:56,799 --> 00:48:57,759
you move to the next one.

1054
00:48:57,759 --> 00:48:59,279
You fight the thing, you do that,

1055
00:48:59,279 --> 00:49:00,119
you move to the next one.

1056
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:01,360
Russ and Tom would be talking about something.

1057
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,920
Carla and I'd be making dick jokes on the side,

1058
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,960
not even knowing what Tom and Russ were talking about.

1059
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,160
Meanwhile, we've solved the puzzle, we've moved on.

1060
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,360
And Carla and Amy have like a library of dick jokes.

1061
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,640
We think we're hilarious.

1062
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,400
So that hasn't changed at all.

1063
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,519
I don't remember where I was going with that.

1064
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:21,940
But for the podcast,

1065
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,120
to make more of a narrative out of the game,

1066
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,200
we had to get more into character.

1067
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,640
And I think, yeah, there was definitely a point,

1068
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,480
and I remember it.

1069
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,480
I can't remember the exact episode,

1070
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,520
but we got off the call and was like,

1071
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,520
you guys just ran through that NPC

1072
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,160
and didn't ask them a single question

1073
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,000
about anything that was relevant to anything.

1074
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,480
So we need to treat people as people in this game.

1075
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,280
And from that point,

1076
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,800
I think council sessions have gotten better,

1077
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,840
general interactions between yourselves as characters

1078
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,400
have gotten better, NPCs has gotten better,

1079
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,800
and the story, I think, has grown a lot since then.

1080
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,680
And we've been able to get more invested in it,

1081
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,240
which is evident in the people who were very sad

1082
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:12,880
when Nulara died.

1083
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:13,840
Sure.

1084
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,360
Was there a guest you wanted to have on

1085
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,800
but couldn't make work?

1086
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,240
Travis McElroy.

1087
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:19,080
We never tried.

1088
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,000
Did we even ask him?

1089
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,840
Yeah.

1090
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,680
Oh, you never sent the email?

1091
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,880
Not yet, because where were we gonna put him?

1092
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,599
We got to, we got to...

1093
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:28,559
Oh, you mean in the game.

1094
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,760
I was like, he could sit on my lap.

1095
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,160
We got to, we had a bunch of guests on

1096
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,079
like kind of back to back to back.

1097
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,920
And then we got to Kuth's lair.

1098
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,320
And then it was like pedal to the metal

1099
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,360
to get you to Tiamat.

1100
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,920
Yeah, it kind of kicked into overdrive there.

1101
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,760
No, it couldn't really fit in.

1102
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,720
And we were so locked into the Tiamat thing

1103
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:47,960
because we were playing that arc

1104
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,760
that it like didn't have a lot of space.

1105
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,280
But now with like, it's things are more open.

1106
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,760
So we have more possibilities

1107
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,360
to have people on in the future.

1108
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,200
There were lots of people

1109
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,840
that we thought about inviting on,

1110
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,560
but just as running the game,

1111
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,400
we'd already introduced 99% of the characters

1112
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,960
that you were going to interact with from here on out.

1113
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,240
And to incorporate a new character

1114
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,960
within a new story within a side arc

1115
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,760
would have derailed and then...

1116
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Yeah, you know what?

1117
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,120
We would have been on that side adventure

1118
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,280
for another seven months.

1119
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,800
So, yes and no.

1120
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,600
So we're gonna try and get more on in season two.

1121
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,280
There's gonna be like two separate stories

1122
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,480
to incorporate people in and try some different things.

1123
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Do you think you'd ever get a guest DM

1124
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,519
so that you can all just play?

1125
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:32,600
That's a fun idea.

1126
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,480
Yes and yes, it will happen.

1127
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,880
Oh, all right.

1128
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,720
Okay, fun.

1129
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,200
Look at us also learning answers to questions.

1130
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,320
Working out details with our good friend, Sean.

1131
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,480
Excellent.

1132
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,560
I would love to play a game that Sean DMs.

1133
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,519
Yeah.

1134
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:51,239
Cause we get a chance to play with Russ

1135
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,679
in Patreon episodes that Tom DMs,

1136
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:57,719
which is fun cause he's like a little trouble maker.

1137
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:58,559
Yeah, he is.

1138
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:00,719
So it would be really fun.

1139
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,920
He's a chaotic neutral cat.

1140
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,759
What do you expect?

1141
00:52:02,759 --> 00:52:03,599
For all four of us.

1142
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,079
I hope he picks a quieter character next time.

1143
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:06,920
That's all I have to say.

1144
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,320
I like to play too much.

1145
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,719
So yes, I don't want to say too many details

1146
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,480
because all the details haven't been worked out yet.

1147
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,280
Sorry to throw you under the bus there, Sean,

1148
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,679
but now you have to do it.

1149
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:21,840
A question for the DM.

1150
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,280
How much of the module did you change

1151
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,360
in order to bring about the best story possible?

1152
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,519
I didn't change a lot.

1153
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:30,880
I expanded a lot.

1154
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,679
The council sessions, there's nothing in the module.

1155
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,119
So I expanded on those to treat them

1156
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:42,199
as kind of a role play at activity

1157
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:43,639
and exercise for my players.

1158
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:45,000
And God did we love it.

1159
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:45,840
Every minute. So much.

1160
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,159
We got better.

1161
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:48,239
We did get better.

1162
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,440
We did. If you listen in succession

1163
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,440
of the different council meetings.

1164
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,640
Not good to use passable conversation.

1165
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,120
At one point I turned a chair around backwards

1166
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,320
and tried to have real talk.

1167
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,160
Yeah, you did.

1168
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Cool person style.

1169
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,760
Yeah. Yeah.

1170
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:05,800
You did it.

1171
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,480
So I expanded those.

1172
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,480
The big battle for Tiamat in the module

1173
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,600
is just a straight stealth operation.

1174
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:18,039
Like it's going into the tunnels

1175
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:20,880
and sneaking in as much as you can.

1176
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,599
All of the outside the battle, that's all expanded.

1177
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,679
All the big battle, all the lead up to,

1178
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:31,239
the travel to, the watching the battle

1179
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,599
kind of roll out towards.

1180
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,400
All of that was expanded on.

1181
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,239
And then throughout, in the earlier episodes

1182
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,960
plotted in different side quests

1183
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,400
to kind of build out the world,

1184
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,400
knowing that rise of Tiamat will come at some point.

1185
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,920
It was inevitable.

1186
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,960
It was inevitable.

1187
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,039
And then we're going to need story beyond that.

1188
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,680
So to give you cause character lock points

1189
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,599
throughout that weren't specifically tied

1190
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,800
to the Tiamat battle.

1191
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,599
So those, yes.

1192
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,119
Cathy, once it noted that she thinks we're awesome.

1193
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:06,960
That's nice.

1194
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,840
Thanks Cathy. We think you're awesome.

1195
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,480
Will there maybe one day be an episode

1196
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,960
with a full account of what happened

1197
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,920
to Thea, Flint and Nularaaaa before the podcast started?

1198
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,600
No, we can't remember.

1199
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,039
Like that is the right answer.

1200
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:23,880
You want an answer?

1201
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,640
You want an honest answer?

1202
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,760
So you're saying there's not going to be,

1203
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,720
ever be a backstory episode.

1204
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,840
Well, I mean, if there was one that we cooked up

1205
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,160
but maybe didn't actually stick to what we actually did.

1206
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,320
Cause who can remember?

1207
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,160
I mean, I still have my notes guys.

1208
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Yeah.

1209
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,960
That doesn't mean anything,

1210
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,760
but I do still have my notes.

1211
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,719
We could bring back Jillian.

1212
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,440
I was, I was a drug dealer for Flint.

1213
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,519
It was mostly Thea wanting to tie people up

1214
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:53,599
and throw them in rivers.

1215
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:55,760
That's true and definitely get laid.

1216
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,559
I'm so glad she didn't die a virgin.

1217
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:58,800
Yeah.

1218
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,719
So maybe, we don't know.

1219
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,519
Haven't talked about that one.

1220
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,000
What has been, have been some of your favorite moments

1221
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,280
in the story, example, when Grancis made the best pancake,

1222
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,920
something like that.

1223
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,760
Oh God.

1224
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,599
And that was pretty good.

1225
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,280
Tying people up and throwing them in a river.

1226
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,079
But that happened before the podcast.

1227
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:18,400
That's part of the backstory.

1228
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,719
That's part of backstory.

1229
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,440
When Amy summoned the like crocodiles or alligators

1230
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,320
or whatever it was,

1231
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,559
when we were in like that flooding tunnel.

1232
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:27,400
The tunnels.

1233
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,239
That was pretty great.

1234
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,679
That was really funny.

1235
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,760
I loved it when Nularaaaa rode a fucking T-Rex.

1236
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,400
That's what I was going to say.

1237
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,239
Yeah, that was good too.

1238
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,400
Anytime there was like animal stuff, I was super into it.

1239
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,840
Play that back.

1240
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,160
Just that.

1241
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,400
When there was dinosaurs or I got to ride a hippogriff.

1242
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,520
Sorry, you've already said it.

1243
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:49,840
Somebody's saying that it's fine.

1244
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:50,680
That was really fun.

1245
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Yeah, yeah.

1246
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,360
It's a gift now.

1247
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,200
You can edit it out.

1248
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,200
Russ, you have the power.

1249
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,720
Yeah, I don't know.

1250
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,440
There was a lot of good, just like little.

1251
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,800
I love any moment Thea tried to flirt with anybody.

1252
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Oh, me too.

1253
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:09,199
Just any her and, oh my God.

1254
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:10,400
Well, I can't remember his name.

1255
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,519
Thea would remember.

1256
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,319
Delaine?

1257
00:56:13,319 --> 00:56:15,440
Yeah, yeah.

1258
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,440
I think she really thinks they're like forever material.

1259
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,719
I enjoyed any time I got to play as Bort,

1260
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,639
just because he was so like decisive

1261
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:28,799
and like, I don't give a real fuck about these people.

1262
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,319
I need to do my own thing.

1263
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:33,519
Yeah, that whole, those two episodes when you went to Thea.

1264
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:36,639
When we were able to actually get the rolls to work

1265
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:39,840
and get it kind of back and forth, it was awesome.

1266
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,440
Yeah, when he just like peaced out and like,

1267
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,400
well, I'm going and like close the door in their face.

1268
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,239
Yeah, Flint was there and he was humming

1269
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,199
and hawing on something and then we were,

1270
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:49,679
all right, you're Bort now.

1271
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:51,199
All right, peace out, bye.

1272
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:53,840
I got shit to do later.

1273
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,679
It's good.

1274
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,320
I love all of our ridiculous rolls.

1275
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,639
Roll to P, roll to hammock.

1276
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:01,679
Yeah, roll to hammock was great.

1277
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,880
The hammock was good.

1278
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,880
Oh, I love talking to Ver, no, the fair.

1279
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,680
The Taraz.

1280
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,520
Taraz.

1281
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,340
Oh, Taraz.

1282
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:15,160
Taraz was great and so was Arvid.

1283
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,000
Was that his name?

1284
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,400
Oh, the creepy alchemist.

1285
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,640
Oh my God, but I loved it.

1286
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,080
Like some of those people felt so like fleshed out to me

1287
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,480
and hilarious.

1288
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,880
Real people.

1289
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,160
How do you choose

1290
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,400
when your character's personality evolves

1291
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,880
or do you try and stick to your character sheet

1292
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,720
and the initial creation as much as possible?

1293
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,599
Oh man, I create a character sheet

1294
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,480
and then I go balls to the wall, forget about it.

1295
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,320
Yeah.

1296
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,160
Every time.

1297
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:42,980
Kind of the same way.

1298
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:45,079
Like originally in my character sheet,

1299
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:46,840
Flint had like a pretty rocking case

1300
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,320
of post-traumatic stress disorder.

1301
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,360
And then that never, I found that very like,

1302
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,840
I don't have experience with that.

1303
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,320
I felt disingenuous trying to play it.

1304
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,160
So like I just stopped playing it.

1305
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,680
I think we talked about that kind of early on too.

1306
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,000
And we tried to think of ways that we could bring that up,

1307
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,880
but it just didn't fit naturally.

1308
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,240
It always felt gross

1309
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,680
because that's like a real thing that is really terrible.

1310
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,360
Yeah, it felt unearned.

1311
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,440
And I think that was brought up on a whim.

1312
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,960
I think that was actually my fault

1313
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,520
because Russ did the whole like,

1314
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:18,840
well, how do you two know each other?

1315
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,560
And I was like, well, I'm a pot dealer.

1316
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,060
And I think your backstory was all like

1317
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:26,560
how you were in the military.

1318
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,199
And I just immediately went to,

1319
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:34,199
and I'm Flint's dealer to help him with his PTSD.

1320
00:58:35,539 --> 00:58:37,199
Like, and that was that.

1321
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:38,039
It was just a way to connect it.

1322
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:39,000
Cause we were sitting around the table

1323
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,719
and like making jokes, right?

1324
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:41,559
Drunk half the time.

1325
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:42,920
Like that's how that came up is like,

1326
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,559
how would these people know each other?

1327
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,079
Like they have nothing in common.

1328
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,119
So, and I think a lot of it, sorry, Amy, go ahead.

1329
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,440
Oh no, I was just gonna say like with the,

1330
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,159
she started out as quite the like sex monger drug addict

1331
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,719
a little bit like pothead hits on everyone.

1332
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:01,940
Lots of talking about her titties.

1333
00:59:01,940 --> 00:59:05,619
And I think she grew up a lot

1334
00:59:05,619 --> 00:59:09,759
because she's fairly young in term of like elf age.

1335
00:59:09,759 --> 00:59:13,719
So I think she grew up a lot on these adventures

1336
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:17,839
and you know, smartened up a little bit.

1337
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:20,000
Unfortunately for her, like she'd be mad about it,

1338
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,239
but turned into a person that her parents

1339
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:23,799
would probably respect more.

1340
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,920
These two kind of go hand in hand.

1341
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,199
When we first started recording,

1342
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:35,799
did you ever think we would ever be closing in

1343
00:59:35,799 --> 00:59:37,960
on 100 episodes?

1344
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,119
And-

1345
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,519
Russ is so mad we haven't hit 100 episodes.

1346
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:45,799
I mean, we technically have.

1347
00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:46,639
I mean, I think we're very close.

1348
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:49,039
No, but I mean our arc has ended

1349
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:50,679
and now we're humming and hawing over

1350
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:53,480
what do we do about like the second season?

1351
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,240
Are we starting back at one for this second season?

1352
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,559
And Russ is like, but I wanna see the number 100.

1353
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:03,119
Well, I mean season two has to be 100 episodes.

1354
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:04,119
Oh God.

1355
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:05,320
And then, so-

1356
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,159
They're gonna be shorter episodes.

1357
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:08,000
Did we ever think we would, you know,

1358
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,440
be closing in on 100 episodes?

1359
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,639
And what made us choose to continue on

1360
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:13,920
after we finished the Tiamat arc

1361
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,480
where there were times when we thought,

1362
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,000
well, that's enough.

1363
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,440
I mean, I think there's easy answers

1364
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,559
to all those questions.

1365
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:21,920
Like when we first started, I would say fuck no,

1366
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:22,760
not in a million years.

1367
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,400
I didn't think anyone would listen to episode one.

1368
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,480
Yeah, the audio was rough on that first one.

1369
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,360
Let's go ahead and skip to that first recap, it's fine.

1370
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,960
So yeah, I mean, that's an easy one to answer.

1371
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,520
The second one of like, why do we continue on?

1372
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,960
Cause like these people are my like best friends.

1373
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:41,800
We family now.

1374
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,640
And they're fantastic.

1375
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,000
And I love spending time with them.

1376
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:44,840
It's true.

1377
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:45,960
Yeah, we're like a little D&D family.

1378
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:46,800
That's why.

1379
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,520
I see you guys more than I see any of my other friends.

1380
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:50,520
Me too.

1381
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,360
So same here?

1382
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,200
We have like running dates.

1383
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,480
That guy literally.

1384
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:54,320
There's nobody else I think.

1385
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,680
We usually see you at least once a week.

1386
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,520
We schedule our lives around each other.

1387
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,280
Which is crazy, I don't see anyone else once a week.

1388
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,120
Yeah.

1389
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,480
Yeah.

1390
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,320
So yeah, easy, quick, quick answers.

1391
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,100
No, the three of them didn't think

1392
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:07,840
that we would make it to a hundred episodes.

1393
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,880
And what made us continue to decide to keep going

1394
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,320
is that we just love it so very much.

1395
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:15,480
Friendship, love, man.

1396
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,160
Friendship, love.

1397
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,520
What are the pros and cons of recording at a distance?

1398
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,120
Pro, I can fart in this room.

1399
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:24,440
And Tom and Carla can't hear it.

1400
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,279
Sorry about that, Russ.

1401
01:01:27,279 --> 01:01:30,199
Yeah, it happens more than you care to.

1402
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:33,880
I mean, pro about it, like it's awesome

1403
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,839
to spend time with my friends

1404
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:38,279
and also be in my own space.

1405
01:01:38,279 --> 01:01:40,000
If that lets like a weird thing,

1406
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,239
but it's like awesome.

1407
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:42,079
No, it's true.

1408
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,000
If anyone's ever watched TV with a friend,

1409
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,880
like via talking on the phone,

1410
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,079
but watching TV at your own separate homes,

1411
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:50,599
like if you have a favorite show.

1412
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:51,440
Oh, totally.

1413
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:52,840
It's kind of like that.

1414
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,840
It's being in your own comfortable space.

1415
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,039
It's being able to go, hold on, I need to pee

1416
01:01:57,039 --> 01:01:59,559
and leaving the room and using your own washroom.

1417
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,039
It is very comfortable.

1418
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:02,880
It sucks though.

1419
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,760
I hate that we're an hour ahead

1420
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,800
because my teaching schedule is just stupid.

1421
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:08,639
That makes things hard.

1422
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:10,019
And I just get tired really easy.

1423
01:02:10,019 --> 01:02:10,860
And I hate that.

1424
01:02:10,860 --> 01:02:13,000
Cause I feel like I went out a lot

1425
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,159
when we could keep going.

1426
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:18,039
And I'm like, when you guys were in Korea,

1427
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:19,280
it was kind of brutal.

1428
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,599
Korea was way different.

1429
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,759
Time is the challenge.

1430
01:02:22,759 --> 01:02:26,119
Technology is actually like pretty easy now.

1431
01:02:26,119 --> 01:02:30,719
It can be hard for some like visual aspects,

1432
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:32,759
I guess of the game, like we use roll 20,

1433
01:02:32,759 --> 01:02:33,960
but not a lot.

1434
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,319
Remember old school, you guys?

1435
01:02:35,319 --> 01:02:37,480
Round the table, we'd have a whiteboard.

1436
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:38,960
We had a whiteboard and stuff like that.

1437
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,079
That did make it easier in a way.

1438
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,199
Pieces of colored paper that we would rip

1439
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:43,599
and write a number on it

1440
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:45,579
to be the different bad guys.

1441
01:02:45,579 --> 01:02:46,759
Orc one, orc two.

1442
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:47,600
Yeah.

1443
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,840
Yeah, I think that's really the main thing

1444
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,840
is that it helps us putting together a podcast.

1445
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,120
It makes it harder sometimes to visualize

1446
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,800
some of the more mechanic based aspects

1447
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,080
that otherwise we'd be like, here's the map.

1448
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:05,160
Here's the thing.

1449
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,240
This is what you see.

1450
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,440
We could use miniatures more if we were together.

1451
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,560
It's tough to use those when doing a podcast though,

1452
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,080
because like at one point we were using a map

1453
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,060
and then Russ was like,

1454
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:18,219
now you're just saying like, I go here

1455
01:03:18,219 --> 01:03:21,340
and that means nothing to someone listening.

1456
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:23,219
Yeah, it doesn't sound like anything.

1457
01:03:23,219 --> 01:03:24,059
We had to cut it.

1458
01:03:24,059 --> 01:03:26,340
It's terrible for an audio medium.

1459
01:03:26,340 --> 01:03:27,340
We're not telling a story.

1460
01:03:27,340 --> 01:03:30,059
We're saying like, I move four spaces to the left.

1461
01:03:30,059 --> 01:03:33,719
I go to B7, like sweet.

1462
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:35,259
You suck my battleship.

1463
01:03:35,259 --> 01:03:36,860
In those first 15 episodes,

1464
01:03:36,860 --> 01:03:38,579
we kind of figure all that out

1465
01:03:38,579 --> 01:03:40,480
because we start very map heavy,

1466
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,320
because it was cool.

1467
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,579
We've got maps, we've got things.

1468
01:03:42,579 --> 01:03:45,820
And then listening back, we don't say anything.

1469
01:03:46,059 --> 01:03:48,300
What, all your maps look like dicks.

1470
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:49,140
Dicks are vaginas.

1471
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:50,880
All these caves are vaginas.

1472
01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:55,460
It's just how it happens.

1473
01:03:55,460 --> 01:03:57,620
It's just how Russ draws them.

1474
01:03:57,620 --> 01:03:59,820
That's the pros and cons.

1475
01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:01,500
This one looks like it's for me.

1476
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:06,400
How excited or terrified am I to be off the module now?

1477
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:08,640
Both Barry.

1478
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:13,539
Yeah, that's fair.

1479
01:04:13,539 --> 01:04:14,380
Both Barry.

1480
01:04:14,380 --> 01:04:15,340
Both Barry.

1481
01:04:15,340 --> 01:04:18,120
Excited because there's a lot of story ideas

1482
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,460
that I've had kind of as we've been working through this

1483
01:04:21,460 --> 01:04:23,320
that I've had to kind of rein back

1484
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,860
because if we did them,

1485
01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:29,660
we wouldn't, Tiamat either would have risen

1486
01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:31,620
while you guys were off doing something else

1487
01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:34,860
or it wouldn't be rising for a long time.

1488
01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:37,460
And then kind of canonically in the timeline,

1489
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:39,660
it makes it very difficult to be believable now

1490
01:04:39,660 --> 01:04:41,660
that the cult isn't just doing this.

1491
01:04:42,659 --> 01:04:46,259
I'm terrified because when I don't have ideas,

1492
01:04:46,259 --> 01:04:47,940
I could just open the book and be like,

1493
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:49,859
well, we're doing this today.

1494
01:04:49,859 --> 01:04:51,819
And I can flesh that out with no problem.

1495
01:04:51,819 --> 01:04:53,139
But now I've got to make sure

1496
01:04:53,139 --> 01:04:55,099
that I have shit kind of planned out

1497
01:04:55,099 --> 01:04:56,420
for the next few episodes

1498
01:04:56,420 --> 01:04:59,139
and hope that it all works out.

1499
01:04:59,139 --> 01:05:01,539
It will because you guys are awesome.

1500
01:05:01,539 --> 01:05:02,379
And I can just be like,

1501
01:05:02,379 --> 01:05:03,699
well, I don't have much planned today.

1502
01:05:03,699 --> 01:05:05,259
It's another drinking episode.

1503
01:05:06,819 --> 01:05:08,139
Everyone gets your beers.

1504
01:05:08,139 --> 01:05:10,699
Let's meet a random goblin.

1505
01:05:10,980 --> 01:05:13,220
And because you guys have gotten much better

1506
01:05:13,220 --> 01:05:15,700
at role playing and being in character,

1507
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:19,620
we can do those episodes where we plan for an episode

1508
01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:21,500
or we just talk to NPCs

1509
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:24,040
and just do world building within the episode.

1510
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,500
And it still sounds fun and interesting,

1511
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:27,320
at least to me.

1512
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,380
Just to tie into the growth too,

1513
01:05:29,380 --> 01:05:31,820
I don't feel like we could have done that before.

1514
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:35,440
I remember coming into these sessions being nervous

1515
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,660
and being like,

1516
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:37,500
okay, well, at least I know

1517
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,740
that Russell tell me what I need to do.

1518
01:05:39,740 --> 01:05:41,060
And now I'm like,

1519
01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:43,280
God help him if he tells me what I need to do.

1520
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,120
Yep.

1521
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:46,660
It's true.

1522
01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:47,500
Kind of touched on this.

1523
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:49,380
How has playing D&D changed your relationships

1524
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:50,700
with each other or has it?

1525
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:52,500
I love them more.

1526
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:53,580
Yeah. Yeah.

1527
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:54,420
It's so good.

1528
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:57,980
Yeah, we're way closer friends now than.

1529
01:05:57,980 --> 01:05:59,900
Then when we were living in the same city.

1530
01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:01,420
Then when we lived in the same town.

1531
01:06:01,420 --> 01:06:02,260
It's true.

1532
01:06:02,260 --> 01:06:04,120
Although I'm sure it would have continued

1533
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,060
and grown to be.

1534
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:07,500
Yeah, like had you guys never moved?

1535
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:08,480
Like we would have,

1536
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,199
well, I don't know that we would have kept playing D&D,

1537
01:06:10,199 --> 01:06:11,840
but we would have like kept having game nights

1538
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:12,679
and hanging out.

1539
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:15,320
And I'm sure we would be like where we are now, but.

1540
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,159
Yeah.

1541
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:17,559
I guess we were still regularly getting together

1542
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:19,280
every couple of weeks to play D&D

1543
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,880
or something else if D&D wasn't working out, but.

1544
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,280
I think it was like Thursday, 8 p.m.

1545
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:25,480
or Thursday at seven.

1546
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,119
We were getting together.

1547
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:28,960
So I think it would have happened.

1548
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,079
And I think I would have drunkenly said enough times.

1549
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:31,920
We're so funny.

1550
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,360
We should make this into a podcast

1551
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,199
that we maybe would have tried to stick.

1552
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:37,280
To stick like a snowball microphone

1553
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,159
into the middle of the table

1554
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,000
and see what happened.

1555
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,040
But I don't know if we would have been successful.

1556
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,520
Are we successful?

1557
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,440
Like, I feel like we're successful.

1558
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,020
We're, success is a funny thing to measure,

1559
01:06:49,020 --> 01:06:50,440
but I think we are.

1560
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:51,320
Like personally though,

1561
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,640
I feel like in this game,

1562
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,240
like we've done a really good job.

1563
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:56,340
I feel like we have.

1564
01:06:56,340 --> 01:06:57,640
We've played the game really well.

1565
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,520
I think as far as the product goes that we put out,

1566
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,080
the podcast that we put out, I'm very proud of it.

1567
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:03,920
Counts.

1568
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,200
I mean, I think that the fact

1569
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:07,960
that we're still doing it means that it's successful.

1570
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:09,880
The fact that people have asked us questions about it

1571
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,199
and we're doing an entire episode

1572
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:13,539
that is now going on to an hour and a half

1573
01:07:13,539 --> 01:07:16,039
is dedicated to questions alone.

1574
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:16,880
All right.

1575
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:17,699
We love you guys.

1576
01:07:17,699 --> 01:07:19,000
I think that's just like straight up.

1577
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,800
Just like our listeners are awesome.

1578
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:21,639
Thank you.

1579
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:22,460
Yeah, they are.

1580
01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:24,639
If you could change anything about your character,

1581
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:26,519
personality, skills, anything else,

1582
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,860
would you want to and what would it be?

1583
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,780
No, for Thea.

1584
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,519
She's evolved as a person

1585
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:36,840
and you either like love a person

1586
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,920
the way they are and you don't wish to change someone.

1587
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,400
So I'm going to say no.

1588
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,039
Yeah, I mean, I kind of think no for Flint as well.

1589
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:45,140
We touched on it before,

1590
01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:48,400
but like he needed every scrap of energy

1591
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,240
he had in that fight and that kind of all led to that.

1592
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,440
So I don't think so.

1593
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,280
I mean, I guess not dead.

1594
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,760
If I had to like pick a thing to not be.

1595
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,600
It's a good choice.

1596
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:59,760
But otherwise, I don't think so.

1597
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,960
Like I just have so much affection for new Laura

1598
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,680
and feel like she grew and like their relationships grew

1599
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:07,520
and all of that.

1600
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,760
So yeah, I like them.

1601
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,960
Some of my favorite things during the process.

1602
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,280
I know this was an answer from before,

1603
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,880
but when new Laura and Thea would have like girl time.

1604
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:16,720
And braiding hair.

1605
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,520
And like how we like became like, you know, best buds

1606
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,200
and we're braiding each other's hair and stuff.

1607
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,240
Like I love that.

1608
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,780
And that's not what new Laura was like

1609
01:08:23,780 --> 01:08:25,400
at the beginning at all.

1610
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,520
I don't even think you would have probably hugged Thea

1611
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:29,360
or touched at all.

1612
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,180
No, I don't think so either.

1613
01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:31,720
You are very touchy.

1614
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,280
I would have maybe changed the fact

1615
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,079
of remembering how to call it train.

1616
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,200
Yeah, that's fair.

1617
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:40,440
Yeah.

1618
01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:41,960
If only you had asked.

1619
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,880
That train has sailed.

1620
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:48,840
Was there anything in particular

1621
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,520
that motivated your choice of class

1622
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,940
for our new characters or our first characters?

1623
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:56,720
Your first characters.

1624
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:57,640
Oh, gosh.

1625
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,800
I mean, well, I can jump in.

1626
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,480
I wanted to play a spell caster, 100%.

1627
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:04,680
After playing like a straight up pure fighter,

1628
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,200
I wanted to see the exact other side of that.

1629
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,840
And so it's going to be fun.

1630
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,440
I think that's kind of my thing.

1631
01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:12,840
I wanted to, like my first thing was

1632
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,900
I want to be everything that I'm not really right now.

1633
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:19,520
I can't, I don't, I'm not magical

1634
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,159
as don't tell my daughter.

1635
01:09:21,159 --> 01:09:23,360
And so I wanted to, I wanted to be a spell caster.

1636
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,440
I wanted to be earthy.

1637
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:25,640
I wanted her to be an elf

1638
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,600
because I think elves are beautiful.

1639
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,520
And I wanted her to be tall because I'm short.

1640
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,520
And I, you know, like I wanted her to be total mythical

1641
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,360
because when I think of D&D,

1642
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,960
I think of like a wonderful fantasy land

1643
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,300
where you can be anything you want to be.

1644
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:42,480
And so I made, I made Thea that way.

1645
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,820
And then after having played a spell caster

1646
01:09:44,820 --> 01:09:49,820
and like I chose to go in a complete opposite direction

1647
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,160
with a halfling.

1648
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,000
So I went from tall to even shorter than I am now.

1649
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,800
And I decided to switch genders as well.

1650
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,360
Sullivan's light is male.

1651
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,880
So I thought that would be interesting.

1652
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,480
No, I've never been a man.

1653
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:05,000
No, I do not identify as a man,

1654
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,200
but that doesn't mean I can't play as a man

1655
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,920
because this is a fantasy world, my friend.

1656
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,520
And I would like to just see how it plays out.

1657
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,520
And he is a rogue because Thea was not at all sneaky

1658
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,560
or subtle in any kind of way.

1659
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,720
And I think playing something like an opposite

1660
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,920
kind of what Flint or what Tom did

1661
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,760
because we don't know each other's names.

1662
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:28,880
I kind of did the same thing.

1663
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,920
I was like, okay, did the spell caster thing

1664
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,480
that wasn't effective in the last battle

1665
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,039
scarred me a little bit.

1666
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:37,920
So happy I kind of went to something different rogue

1667
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,840
because I didn't want to go ranger.

1668
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,119
No, God, why would you?

1669
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:47,640
I think I also wanted to be like,

1670
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,480
like remember New Laura used to be really rude.

1671
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:51,880
Yeah.

1672
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,440
And like you were so uncomfortable with that.

1673
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:55,279
I remember that.

1674
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:56,640
I thought that would be really fun,

1675
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,119
but instead I fucking hated it.

1676
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:01,119
Like it made me so uncomfortable

1677
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:03,800
and I just couldn't do it well.

1678
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,039
Like it's funny because my day job, I'm an actor.

1679
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:09,239
So it's not like I can't,

1680
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:11,640
but playing a character like live,

1681
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,479
like improv-ing as a character

1682
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,239
is a totally different thing

1683
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:17,079
than playing a character that is written for you

1684
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:18,760
and you know how it's gonna be.

1685
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,880
And I just didn't find it fun, which is why,

1686
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,840
and she like evolved out of that, which is great.

1687
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,360
But it just is more fun for me

1688
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,199
to like have played Elia in our Patreon

1689
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:34,480
and then I think Glim will be like that too.

1690
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,880
Although she is like, she's very sweet

1691
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,600
and she is like good,

1692
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:45,600
but she's also like quite the starry-eyed naive person.

1693
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:50,039
So I think that will be a challenge,

1694
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:52,119
but in a different way,

1695
01:11:52,119 --> 01:11:54,000
in a way that won't make me uncomfortable

1696
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,520
to like be rude to my friends,

1697
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,199
even though they knew I was playing a character.

1698
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:00,960
I think that's gonna be a great opportunity

1699
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,960
for like comedy and like funny misunderstandings

1700
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,880
and getting you into some trouble with this new character,

1701
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:11,960
which is really great.

1702
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,920
Those are things you look for in a good story.

1703
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,039
Yeah, is it'll be fun and like now having,

1704
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:20,600
well not having met the other characters in game,

1705
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,039
but knowing them, you know, like it will be fun

1706
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:26,920
because they are all very different.

1707
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,160
Yeah, so I think that'll be fun.

1708
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:31,160
We've kind of touched on this one.

1709
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,200
How do you feel about how the inevitable rise went?

1710
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,960
Did we get too much into that, like just in general?

1711
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:41,160
I felt ineffectual, is that a word, ineffective?

1712
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,480
Yeah.

1713
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,000
I feel like it actually went as well

1714
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,320
as it could have imagined it going.

1715
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,079
Only one of us died.

1716
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:50,640
Only one of us died.

1717
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:51,720
It's kind of amazing.

1718
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,079
I thought we were all done for.

1719
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:54,399
Me too.

1720
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:57,640
Yeah, as far as running it and knowing what to expect

1721
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,640
as Tiamat arose, I think you guys played it as good

1722
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,239
as well as you could have,

1723
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:08,680
because one more turn, like we said.

1724
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,600
Oh, we were both dead and we were all dead.

1725
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,519
I stick to the fact

1726
01:13:12,519 --> 01:13:14,039
that I think I can help out for two turns.

1727
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:16,399
And then it's a Tiamat podcast after that.

1728
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,440
That's right.

1729
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,800
Then you and Sean just have a Tiamat podcast.

1730
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,080
It'd be so fun.

1731
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,000
I mean, Sean's great.

1732
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,840
I would listen to it.

1733
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,120
Color Titi for short.

1734
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,640
Tiamat with all his animal,

1735
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,520
with all her animal companions,

1736
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,720
cause she liked animals, so it's come on.

1737
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,240
I like this spinoff podcast.

1738
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,080
Can you and Sean work on that?

1739
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:33,920
We're working on a lot of things

1740
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,040
behind the scenes here, okay?

1741
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,320
Animal top, Titi.

1742
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:38,680
With Titi and Russ.

1743
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,440
Titi, oh God.

1744
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:42,680
The rise of Titi.

1745
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:44,880
Not nearly as perfect.

1746
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,400
For me, were there times when we went somewhere

1747
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,360
that I didn't expect?

1748
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,800
Story wise, no, I don't think so.

1749
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,640
Because I don't want to say

1750
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,760
that everything was railroaded,

1751
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,480
but because of the design that the module laid out

1752
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:11,160
and because after a certain point,

1753
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:12,800
I was like, we need to finish this

1754
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,440
if we want to do anything different.

1755
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:18,880
The goals were very clear.

1756
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,400
So where you guys went,

1757
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,960
like it wasn't always the most direct path to get there.

1758
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,360
They all had to be done though.

1759
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,440
But they all had to be done.

1760
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:32,960
Like there was not a lot of lost time,

1761
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,480
I guess, between goals.

1762
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:40,480
So no, where I was pleasantly surprised

1763
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,840
was as you guys were growing and developing as players,

1764
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,480
how some of those smaller interactions became much bigger

1765
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:50,240
and the characters that you interacted with

1766
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,200
became more endearing and kind of followed you around

1767
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,000
and became more and made the story bigger

1768
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,920
along with you as you were growing

1769
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:04,360
and changing into the characters that you were playing.

1770
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,480
So that's where you surprised me.

1771
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:10,880
Not surprised, that's where, good.

1772
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,960
Amy, if you could wild shape into any animal

1773
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,920
in real life, what would it be?

1774
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,920
Oh God, like a real life animal.

1775
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,400
Cause I would totally choose winter wolf.

1776
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:28,240
Any animal in real life,

1777
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,080
that's how the question is phrased.

1778
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,200
Winter wolf, but dire wolf.

1779
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,480
That's a real thing, right?

1780
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,680
No, wait, that's Game of Thrones.

1781
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:35,520
Is it real?

1782
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:36,520
It's real.

1783
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,680
I mean, wolf is real.

1784
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:40,960
I don't know, anytime I see wolves,

1785
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,280
they're like not very happy.

1786
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,640
Their whole habitat's not doing well.

1787
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,760
They're always kind of mangy.

1788
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,760
So I'm gonna say.

1789
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,960
I'm gonna leave this pause in there.

1790
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,200
Oh, you should, it's just so long.

1791
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:56,800
What's your favorite animal?

1792
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,360
No, a cuttlefish.

1793
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:00,320
There you go, cuttlefish.

1794
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,040
It's gonna change into a cuttlefish.

1795
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,880
And I'll strobe and eat crabs,

1796
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,239
and I'll be the best at it.

1797
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:10,039
These two kind of tie in together.

1798
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:11,359
They're the last couple of questions.

1799
01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:14,399
What are you looking forward to moving beyond

1800
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:16,960
the rise of Tiamat into season two?

1801
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,600
Or what do you hope to see more of as players?

1802
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,439
This one's from me, I'll just say.

1803
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,439
This question's from me.

1804
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,800
I'm looking forward to getting the levity back.

1805
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:31,600
The last, like from the end of the maze on,

1806
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,800
like we buckled in, we were serious.

1807
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,600
We had our moments.

1808
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,440
We are a comedy podcast after all.

1809
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:41,120
But I mean, like I felt like my character

1810
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:42,800
got more serious about it.

1811
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,840
And I am, and I think maybe part of me

1812
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,760
was kind of missing that feeling

1813
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,320
that you get when you first start playing

1814
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,440
and the silliness in it a lot more,

1815
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,560
because the stakes aren't as high.

1816
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:56,920
And I think I missed.

1817
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,039
You mean you haven't written out your wills

1818
01:16:59,039 --> 01:17:00,720
as to what happens if you die yet?

1819
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:02,800
How depressing.

1820
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,640
Exactly.

1821
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,480
But yeah, I think I'm looking forward to the freedom

1822
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:10,920
that comes with not knowing what's going to happen next,

1823
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,440
because I mean, you don't even know.

1824
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:14,720
How are we supposed to know?

1825
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,000
I know.

1826
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,560
Well, we haven't even, like the new characters

1827
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:18,400
haven't even met yet.

1828
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:19,320
There's so much potential.

1829
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,680
So like, I feel like I have an idea

1830
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:23,360
about how that will go.

1831
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,000
But like, who knows?

1832
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,079
All three of you probably have a different idea

1833
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:30,119
of that initial first interaction, right?

1834
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,199
Yeah, I'm looking forward to like getting to know

1835
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:34,479
a new character too.

1836
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:37,479
Yes, all of those.

1837
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,599
And that makes sense as far as darkness goes,

1838
01:17:39,599 --> 01:17:42,599
because from that point, that's like where Thay happened,

1839
01:17:42,599 --> 01:17:44,199
where the dagger was introduced,

1840
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:46,399
where the ramp up.

1841
01:17:46,399 --> 01:17:48,880
Yeah, like friends were stabbing friends.

1842
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,159
Like shit was getting real.

1843
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,079
It just was so serious and then.

1844
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:53,920
Like there were not as many dick jokes.

1845
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:54,760
You know what it reminds me of?

1846
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:55,599
I miss the dick jokes.

1847
01:17:55,599 --> 01:18:00,039
It reminds me of like the Marvel Cinematic Universe,

1848
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,359
like all of the shit leading up to like Infinity War

1849
01:18:03,359 --> 01:18:04,600
and Endgame.

1850
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,920
It's nice to every now and then have an Ant-Man and Wasp

1851
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,840
where it doesn't really matter what's happening.

1852
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:10,840
It's just fun.

1853
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:11,680
Yeah.

1854
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,760
And then which plot hooks, villains or cities

1855
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,319
set up in season one?

1856
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:18,519
Do you think would be most interesting

1857
01:18:18,519 --> 01:18:21,079
to return to or catch up with?

1858
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:23,600
Salazar's got to come back, you guys.

1859
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:24,920
Yeah. We're the fuck.

1860
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:25,760
We're the fuck. Totally.

1861
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:26,600
Did he go?

1862
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,399
That dude's been in one episode.

1863
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:29,920
Disappeared.

1864
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,520
I know, but he was like such a, again,

1865
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,239
around the table, which no one cares about,

1866
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:35,600
but he was like.

1867
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,600
He was the carry-along NPC.

1868
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,800
What a dingus he was coming in

1869
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,399
and doing the killing blow after we like almost killed.

1870
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:47,239
He did get us those fantasy Costco memberships though,

1871
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:48,279
but I mean.

1872
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:50,279
Fantasy Costco probably got destroyed.

1873
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:52,640
Yeah, probably.

1874
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:53,920
Yeah, they go for the supplies first.

1875
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,319
But like I love Taraz.

1876
01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:56,159
I did too.

1877
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:57,359
Yeah, Taraz is great.

1878
01:18:57,359 --> 01:18:58,640
It's so fun.

1879
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,039
I want to know about like the doppelganger people.

1880
01:19:02,039 --> 01:19:03,520
Like what the fuck?

1881
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:04,720
That's pretty fun.

1882
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,560
Yeah.

1883
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,440
What about the dude that like was being all Frankensteined

1884
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:11,920
by that one dude.

1885
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,760
Yeah.

1886
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,320
You like put it in at the end of one of the episodes

1887
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:15,960
and like no one knew and then I listened to it

1888
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:16,800
and I was like, whoa, wait, what just happened?

1889
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,039
That was after the Mirabar episode,

1890
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:22,039
the zombie guy with Thelonious Prince Bane.

1891
01:19:22,039 --> 01:19:24,760
Thelonious, that fucking Thelonious.

1892
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,960
Yeah, and he took your war buddy,

1893
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,720
and built an army somewhere maybe, who knows?

1894
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,039
But the option's there for us.

1895
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:34,039
The option's there.

1896
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:36,039
He left himself so many little Easter eggs,

1897
01:19:36,039 --> 01:19:38,199
so many little things that could happen.

1898
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:40,239
Well, there is like, there was so many things

1899
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:42,600
that were like, oh, well, this must be important.

1900
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,439
And then Thelonious never came back.

1901
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,079
And then we never saw it again,

1902
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:48,119
but that doesn't mean it's not important.

1903
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:49,399
It just wasn't important

1904
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:51,520
to the inevitable rise of Tiamat, right?

1905
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,000
So there's so many fun things.

1906
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,439
And it's not that he never came back.

1907
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,920
Again, in-game time versus real time, maybe a month.

1908
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:00,760
Yeah.

1909
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:01,600
Right?

1910
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,960
It's true, and he's like a super powerful wizard.

1911
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,640
So it's not that he didn't come back.

1912
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,480
It's that it's such a short period of time.

1913
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:08,720
We just hadn't seen him yet.

1914
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,440
That it's that he's still doing shit

1915
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:13,280
or he's somewhere else.

1916
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,680
He's recovering after we killed his zombie army.

1917
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:16,520
Yeah.

1918
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:17,720
Yeah, it takes a man to recover

1919
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,720
and build a new zombie, undead army.

1920
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:20,880
Exactly.

1921
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,320
Thank you everybody for sending in your questions.

1922
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,039
We really appreciate it.

1923
01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:27,279
We can't wait for season two.

1924
01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:28,119
Yeah.

1925
01:20:28,119 --> 01:20:31,559
It's gonna be June 5th, the first episode back

1926
01:20:32,599 --> 01:20:35,799
when we touch base with Moot, Glim, and Sully.

1927
01:20:35,799 --> 01:20:38,719
I would like to do a mailbag episode like every six months.

1928
01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:41,199
I think this would be super fun.

1929
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:42,039
Yeah.

1930
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:42,880
It is fun.

1931
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,239
So as questions come up, please send them to us.

1932
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:48,679
And we may or may not answer them in the moment.

1933
01:20:48,679 --> 01:20:51,479
Might just bank them for a big old mailbag episode.

1934
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,680
Until next time,

1935
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,560
keep adventuring and.

1936
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:00,400
Yeah.

1937
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,000
That could be it.

1938
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:03,840
You just gotta say with more conviction.

1939
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:04,680
Yeah.

1940
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,840
Until next time, keep adventuring.

1941
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,480
We'll talk to you soon.

1942
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:11,360
Bye.

1943
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,200
Bye.

1944
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,040
Bye.

1945
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:13,880
Bye.

1946
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:14,700
Bye.

1947
01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:15,540
Bye.

1948
01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:16,380
Bye.

1949
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:17,200
Bye.

1950
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:18,040
Bye.

1951
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:18,880
Bye.

1952
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:19,700
Bye.

1953
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:20,540
Bye.

1954
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:21,380
Bye.

1955
01:21:22,380 --> 01:21:23,220
Hello.

1956
01:21:24,819 --> 01:21:25,659
Hi.

1957
01:21:25,659 --> 01:21:26,500
Hi.

1958
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:27,340
Hi.

1959
01:21:27,340 --> 01:21:28,659
Hi.

1960
01:21:28,659 --> 01:21:31,100
Music in today's episode was by Kavin McLeod

1961
01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:33,579
of incompetech.film music.io.

1962
01:21:33,579 --> 01:21:36,579
Dumbgeons and Dragons is a Dumb Dragons production.